Strange behavior of tear-off menus

[westram]

When menus are teared-off, functions have no effect

Example:

• ARB_NTREE: open 'Species' menu
• tear it off
• click on 'Search and query' → nothing happens
• open 'Species' menu from menu bar, click 'Search and query' → works

[epruesse]

The tear-off menus are deprecated and no longer exist in GTK3. Can we simply remove them, please? I'm guessing that this is a in GTK that's going to be difficult to work around.

[epruesse]

It is a in GTK or ubuntu …

​https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+2.0/+bug/619432

[epruesse]

confirmed with gvim … exactly the same happens there as well.

[epruesse]

the tearoff items were removed in r10695

customizable toolbars are probably to complicated to do as an alternative just now.

maybe adding ctrl-something accelerators would be an alternative? which menus would typically be detached?

[westram]

Replying to epruesse:

The tear-off menus are deprecated and no longer exist in GTK3. Can we simply remove them, please?

After introducing them into arb, several people mailed how useful that feature is for them - especially due to the often deeply-nested arb-menus.

I'm guessing that this is a in GTK that's going to be difficult to work around.

Removing tear-off menus is definitely a in gtk!

Next year they'll probably remove menus or buttons because "it's a broken interaction metaphor, that just provides a way for the to unbreak poorly designed applications". wtf

Let's leave it 'unsolved' for now

[epruesse]

Replying to westram:

After introducing them into arb, several people mailed how useful that feature is for them - especially due to the often deeply-nested arb-menus.

I was actually wrong, it's still there in GTK3. Though that doesn't help us if the feature is broken in GTK2…

The deprecation triggered a lot of complaints from what the GTK people called a "vocal minority". Their argument was mainly that it is merely a work-around for broken GUI design … which is sort of true for the deeply nested arb-menus.

Let's leave it 'unsolved' for now

ACK

[westram]

Replying to epruesse:

The deprecation triggered a lot of complaints from what the GTK people called a "vocal minority". Their argument was mainly that it is merely a work-around for broken GUI design … which is sort of true for the deeply nested arb-menus.

That was the thread where my above quote was taken from.. What i have read, i think they have had some broken concept in gtk-menu-code and the tear-off bugs made the broken concept obvious - so they decided to "fix by delete". JMO

[westram]

gtk-port is dead